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Teague commented there is no snow storage designated on the site; the curbing will define the area and create a snow storage area on the north side of the building. Zisla stated the applicant would not, then, lose snow storage space. Teague responded affirmatively. Zisla said he understood the applicant would rather not put in the curbing along the north property line between the property to the north. Hermann responded he would not like to see the curbing at that location. O’Brien asked about the curbing on the south side of the building. Teague responded the curbing would direct traffic onto 5th and discourage use of the alley. Zisla stated the curbing would define the site visually, but asked if it would cut off an importance entrance. Hermann answered the area is cement and then blacktop into the alley. The trucks come in and make the turn. Zisla asked if the Commission had a preference whether the motion should include all the actions in one motion. Zisla described what he would suggest the motion include: ? Starting at the bottom right corner on the site plan, the green area remains and the driveway is widened; ? the driveway moving north should be narrower; ? the curbing along the north line of the property is added with the greenspace; ? the curbed area to the right stays in and we would not require installation of curbing along the alley. Livingston asked why we would not include the curbing along the alley in the motion. Zisla responded that curbing does not add anything. It would create a green strip that would not be maintained. Customers would just go into the alley, which seems to be working now. Livingston said the cars may be backed up around there because of the car wash. Zisla said if there are cars there people will not be able to go through to the alley, and when there are no cars, they can go through. Zisla stated the alley curbing would serve no particular function. Hermann said no one along the alley has curbing. Hermann said he wanted to make the point that there is no curbing from his business all the way down to Easy Stop. Zisla said creating some definition of the businesses would be advantageous. The curbing should be consistent along Old Highway 8. The curbing is not there now, but should be. Zisla stated Hermann was correct in that it would not do a lot of good for curbing only Hermann’s business. Because Hermann’s business would be the only one with curbing, we should not require it. There was a brief discussion of the language of the motion. S Motion by Zisla, seconded by Schiferl, with TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF TAFF RECOMMENDATION the following added conditions: ? Curbing and green area is not necessary along the western property line. ? The southerly curb cut on Old Highway 8 remain, and be widened if possible, subject to approval of Ramsey County. ? The northerly curb cut on Old Highway 8 be made narrower, subject to approval of Ramsey County.. 6 Ayes - 0 Nays. Motion Carried. LP-337, PRD 60 & PL-242 G & P Properties Teague reviewed the planning report concerning an application for site plan review and Planned Residential Development to replace a portion of the Rice Creek Shopping Center with a 97-unit Senior Independent Living facility. Zisla asked about the fire lane on the west of the new building. The drawing shows an existing driveway easement to the west. Does the drawing show the new fire access? Is there an existing easement to the west of the new fire easement? Nordby explained the location of the existing and proposed easements. 6 I:\COMMISSIONS\PLANNING\MINUTES\1998\04-21-98.WPD