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Bob Jaskowiak and Mark Toupal, the new Parks, Recreation and Environmental Commission members, were also introduced. . B. Old Highway 8 Re-development in the Northwest Quadrant Jason West introduced Grant Wyffels, Director of Public Works and John Horn of Kimley-Horn and Associates, Inc, Grant Wyffels told the Parks, Recreation and Environmental Commission and the Public Safety Commission that as part of the Northwest Quadrant redevelopment, they will be reconstructing Old Hwy 8 north of 694 to the Long Lake Park entrance which is roughly lf2 mile. There have been meetings with Ramsey County regarding this design since (?14!::i'!")'. 8 is a County road. John Horn gave some background and gave a po'Xerpoil1tpl'e~~p.tation. He felt the biggest discussion should be whether or not the1?ike lane beloiig~ on the roadway. There were two options provided. Optiorl#l had.~l:>ike lane Ollithe east and west sides of Old Highway 8. Option #2 did riot have a bilc~}ane. Park Commission Comments/Concerns: ::':::,::::?::. "::::,:::::::>.'.:...".:::/::::::::" ':::" '::::' "":', :,',:,:,' ,,' ',;~:, '.':<:: ': '.': ': ::':',', ':" i:::: ':: ' ::, " ".'.:" :::::: . Parallel parking and biking don;t~o togeth~~;.pos~ibly have just one bike lane going one 'X~Y':. .. .. .. .. "'::;::.ii. Grant W. stated thatS%.Ofbikers are active cofumuters and 95% are kids and recre~tional}Jsers. The conc~rn was that the nose in parking would be more dangerolisbecause of blind spots while backing up. . Important to plan for the fritlJre; considering not only bikes, but wheelchairs, three wheelers;~tc. . WOlldere4 howtl~~.lTIedianssompare with the Hwy, 96 in Shoreview, ..John HOfI1,said theY~rIe..yery similar. . .. Fell",:bik~~onnectionorithe South side of 694 was necessary to get to 'iQ1e pfop.osedbilc~p~th on the north without using the bridge. JQhn HOf1\s;ommented that there has been communication with MNDOTregw:ding this and there are plans in the future to redo the bridge over 694 but it could be 8-10 years. To do any kind of separate pedestrian bridge would cost about 1 million dollars. . The concern about lighting fixtures was that we want the lights to shine on the sidewalks; not in the eyes of the drivers. . Have environmental concern regarding too much pavement which creates more runoff. Who is responsible for the runoff pond? John Horn commented that if there is a bike lane, there would be 12 feet more pavement so more run off. Don't know if it would be significant, but it would be more, The City would be responsible for the pond. . Would it be cheaper to build a separate off road bike path, rather than keep it on the roadway? John Horn said it is cheaper to keep if separate than to add to the 12 feet of roadway. . Is it common to have a bike lane and parallel parking together? John Horn stated it was not common. In some places in Minneapolis and St, Paul you may find this, but not in the suburbs. If we went forward with Option # 1 we would be the first in Ramsey County to have an on-street bike lane. . Perhaps this corridor could be a rest area or stop for bikers. Maybe have an ice cream shop for them to come to. Page 2 . .