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Approved <br /> added in the cost could go as high as $3 million. O'Keefe asked what the funding <br /> sources for this project are. Wyffels replied that the funding for this project is the land <br /> sale proceeds, possibly state aid, and County maintenance dollars, which is a similar <br /> approach the City used for Rice Creek Road. O'Keefe inquired if the state aid is Ramsey <br /> County's state aid or the City's. Wyffels replied that the City would be spending it's off <br /> system dollars. <br /> Schiferl stated that unless the County is insisting that the road has to stay at 40 miles per <br /> hour, that the road should be changed to 30 to 35 miles per hour. He added that area may <br /> generate alternative transportation and the bike lane should be left to accommodate it. He <br /> is concerned if the bike lane taken out it will never be added back in. Horn replied that <br /> design speed and posted speed are two separate issues. They picked the design speed of <br /> 40 miles per hour due to it's rating of an A Minor Arterial and the nature of the road way. <br /> A posted speed is established by a speed study and if a speed study was done today, the <br /> speed limit would most likely increase. The road has been designed to help slow and <br /> clam traffic and change the character of that whole area. O'Keefe agreed that the <br /> proposed design will help slow the speed of the vehicles down. <br /> Horn stated that they have heard through out this process that there is a need to meet a <br /> variety of transportation. The trail systems map of the area shows a number of ways in to <br /> the area besides Old Hwy 8. Wyffels added that the City has proposed a nine foot wide <br /> trail on the west side of Old Hwy 8 that would be continuous from north to south. Dan <br /> Solar, Ramsey County, has advised the City that people who use these trails will be <br /> divided into two groups. 95 percent will be families with children and people out for <br /> recreation will use the off road trails and remaining 5 percent would be the hardcore <br /> bicyclist who will use the on road bike path. Schiferl stated that while those may be <br /> percentages used today, that can shift quickly, and we should plan for the future to allow <br /> for flexibility. <br /> Baker stated that he finds the bike path on Option 1 to be a potential safety issue, since <br /> it's between parked cars and two lanes of traffic. Horn replied that there are several <br /> similar designs in St. Paul that work very well and there should be enough space between <br /> the parking and driving lanes for a bicyclist to avoid a car, however the safety issue may <br /> still exist. <br /> Howard inquired where the bus stops will be located in this design. Horn replied that <br /> through the final design process they will work with Metro Transit to identify where they <br /> would like to have the stops. Howard asked if in Option 2 if the path would <br /> accommodate walking and biking. Horn replied that the path would become the bike <br /> trail, and there has been some discussion to emphasize that is a trail versus a plain <br /> sidewalk. Howard stated that it is a sidewalk with people riding their bikes on it. <br /> Wyffels replied that the distinction is that this trail is nine feet wide versus five feet, <br /> when the trail is larger than eight feet wide it is considered multipurpose. Howard replied <br /> that communities are trying to connect to existing trails and biking will increase over the <br /> C:`,Documents and Settings\igoepcAI Deal Settings Temporary Internet Files\01 K'S US-I5-2006(2).doe Page 13 of 14 <br />
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